Roscosmos Boss Dmitry Rogozin Calls for Wiping Out Ukraine
Twitter’s content moderation efforts seemed to have spiraled downward. Major Russian government officials somehow keep their accounts while advocating the genocide of a nation of 44 million people.
Rogozin has been rabid, foaming at the mouth for months. Ukraine did not, and does not now, pose an existential threat to Russia. The biggest threat is that it becomes a stable, parliamentary democracy and joins the European Union. It would be another example of a different path Russia could take other than the authoritarian one that Vladimir Putin, Rogozin and others have imposed on the country.
Twitter really needs to answer for this. It needs to decide whether letting people call for the genocide of an entire nation is something they want to allow.
Elon Musk, who signed an agreement to purchase Twitter for $44 billion, is an avowed free speech absolutist. He called Twitter’s decision to ban Donald Trump after the attack on the Capitol last year immoral. Is this something that he would allow? What is his view of the morality of this? How absolute is absolutism?
Here’s the one thing we can be very sure about. If Rogozin was calling for the deaths of the current Twitter CEO and his family, or Elon and his children, this tweet would not stay up for a minute. It would be taken down immediately, and Rogozin would be banned.
The time is coming, barring a significant change in the Russian government, when NASA has to decide whether it come continue to work with the Russians on the International Space Station. That day may come sooner than the 2024 date Rogozin has said Russia would likely pull out of the program.
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This is a very good example of why Twitter should ban ALL political posts so the political rhetoric could return to a more normal level.The problem would be programming its AI to do so.
Also, remember it is the International Space Station, not the NASA space station, and so there would need to be a consensus by the other members on kicking Russia out. That said NASA should be holding meetings with the other member nations to discuss the future role of Russia in the ISS and perhaps even on replacing Russia with the Ukraine to send a message to the rest of the world.
Just get rid of the concept of a private universal public square. Let the social media centers self fragment and deteriorate based on the policy of their controlling boards. Modern methods of propaganda, and the ability to shunt that propaganda to the most receptive minds makes social media an agent against civilization. What we need is a constant refrain in our society that social media is entertainment not news. We’d go a long way towards limiting the damage that social media can do by changing the base expectation people have of it. I think Elon has some points about fearing AI. Social media is an AI that shunts ideas to receptive minds. The chaos and fragmentation of this aspect of AI is tearing society apart world wide. Social media’s grip on peoples imagination must be broken.
Yes, before the Internet it was a lot harder to hide your identify. When folks know who you are you have to take responsibility for your actions. By contrast Twitter allows the use of fake names so you may cause whatever havoc you want without being held accountable. It also makes it very easy for foreigners to hide behind fake identities to disrupt the politics of a nation. At very least Twitter and other social media needs some basic regulation that outlaws the use of fake identities and posting outside of your own nation.
Fake users are not the root cause. Shunting propaganda to receptive minds is the root cause of the malfunction. In fact enforcing user ID is going to empower state propaganda dissemination even more. Any state will be able to provide any bone-fides a corporation can dream up to ‘ensure’ a user is ‘real’. You can’t stop moneyed or national interests from propagating their policy points at an advantage over everybody else.
A legislative solution might be to require a user to make their own search inquiries, with search results politically flat and broad based, disallowing search returns to be tailored to the profile of any individual. But that’s not going to happen at all. That’s outlawing a business model, and that won’t happen in this country.
Which is why you just ban political posts completely with no exceptions…
How do you determine what is political or not? That’s a very, very nuanced question. Sure, the simple mindless left vs right rhetoric is easy(ish) to police, but the boundaries of what is political or not are very fuzzy.
Yes, it will not be perfect nor easy, but there are key words and phrases that could be flagged for AI along with a system for reporting violations. I expect the majority of normal users will help police it just as it’s done on many Facebook groups. It may not be able to stop all political posts, but it will greatly tune down the rhetoric.
Indeed, the basic tools of key words, hashtags, and muting already exist on Twitter so it would be more of a policy change than a software challenge to do it.
After politics, what often contentious subject of human discourse is to be banished next? Sex? Religion? Sports?
Remember, Twitter is just a private service. If the minority of the folks that like arguing politics wish to do so they are welcome to create their own private services.
But stoking the desire for news as entertainment is how you boost numbers and get money to move. That’s a hard thing to suppress.
News is not all that profitable as conversions are better than views and a more business focus Twitter will generate more conversions boosting its revenue.
Let’s see how that plays out. It’s already been done and everyone who tried it either went off the walls or moderated. The first thing you have to do is teach people that news should not be entertaining. It should be dull. It should be boring. If you’re having fun, somethings wrong.
That is a major problem posing as a solution to a minor problem.
Nor should it. A search engine limiting what a user sees, for whatever reason, opens a competitive window for less censorious or manipulative platforms. I quit using Google the second or third time a search failed to present me with something I knew should have been in the results.
Completely pointless and contrary to the best interests of the nation. I have yet to see anything so farcical or outre posted by a foreigner pretending to be an American that I could not also find posted by an actual American. The vast majority of such attempts at subterfuge are about as effective as a large dog wearing a trenchcoat, fedora and sunglasses and walking on his hind legs attempting to pass as human. Stovepiping the Internet based on nationality is what our fragile totalitarian opposition does.
Just take a look at how divided the nation has become since the emergence of the Internet and social media. It isn’t a force for uniting folks, it’s a force for allowing them to self-select into warring fractions, likely with the “encouragement” of foreign nations.
The solution to bad social media is better social media just as the best answer to bad speech is more and better speech. Bad social media has had things pretty much all its own way recently, but better social media is coming. If we get to thinking the mind of the Average Joe can’t handle this or can’t handle that, then we might as well just invite one of the totalitarians in to take over.
And what exactly is this “better” social media?
The average “joe” is just staying away from Twitter with a small minority doing the majority of posts for political advocacy.
they are ready to kick Russia out
NASA doesn’t seem to be.
they are putting it together slowly
I don’t think NASA is putting it together at all. If this happens, it will be at the behest of the ESA member countries and perhaps Canada. If they all got together on this and braced NASA about it, I don’t think NASA would have much choice. But, failing something like that, I don’t see NASA taking any steps to expel the Russians from ISS.
If censorship is the answer, the question must have been surpassingly dumb. As Dennis Prager says, I prefer clarity to agreement – or even civility. Twitter is, if nothing else, remarkably revelatory about what lies behind pretty much every flavor of leftist political philosophy.
It would be good to get the other members of the ISS club together and decide what to do about the rogue member. But I suspect that by the time any such conclave could be assembled and a decision reached, the Russo-Ukraine War would likely be over.
Unfortunately the treaties that the ISS members are legally bound by requires them getting together and agreeing. Legally it is an international space station, not a NASA or Russian one. They only own individual modules and provide support services to the consortium that is responsible for the ISS.
Genocide
Russia has decided to become an empire. They’re trying to convince their population to become just that right now. That is the motivation for the Russian State to send its army into Ukraine and try to tear it apart. Rogozin is articulating the ideas that are popular within the Russian ruling elite. He’s not an extremist leaving the farm. This is not about Russia repositioning for a better negotiating position with the EU.
That’s the bad news. The good news is the Russian armor base is destroyed so much so that the balance of conventional forces in Europe and Asia are greatly upset. If Russia really intends on invading and occupying Finland, The Baltics, into Poland and link up with the Serbs in the SE of Europe, they’ll have to reconstitute their mechanized forces. That’s going to be a lot of steel mills running and years of production work. Either way, we have to seriously consider the real possibility of WW3 in the 1980’s sense of the term. We’re staring down that barrel right now, and we will be so long as Russia remains of this spirit. We do have some breathing room right now. If the fight came now, NATO would mop the Baltics and Poland clean of Russian armor, pummel Kaliningrad, and have control of the sky going deep into Russian airspace. So we have a reprieve, but poor Ukraine does not. We still have yet to wake up to the full extent of the current crisis. Ukraine is going to need much more help to remove Russian forces and there will be a period of extreme crisis as the tide is turned into a general route if we and the Ukrainians can push things that far. Rough days ahead comrades, we’re going to have to shore up our internal divisions and start acting like a team as this crisis develops.
Kaliningrad Oblast likely has a number of tactical nuclear weapons which is why its a joke for Russia to be upset about the West basing them on its border. Kaliningrad Oblast should have never been allowed to exist and should have been split between Poland and Lithuanian.
We see the solution to Kaliningrad. Saturation artillery. Do to them what Russia did to Kharkov. Remotely pummel it to death. Just put every spent tube of artillery around the place and expend all your aged ammunition on the place.
Meanwhile the Russian launch their nukes at the United States and Europe…
that is very unlikely …we simply cannot fear that to the point of inaction
Exactly!
There is a huge difference between inaction and directly attacking a Russian Oblast…
In a war with NATO, that will happen. S-400 and S-300 has to be taken out, and rally points have to be saturation bombed and shelled. No way to avoid it.
Russia knows not to take NATO on, especially after their performance in the Ukraine so don’t confuse rhetoric with intention.
Not confusing rhetoric with intention was how people argued that there was no way this invasion was going to happen. Something’s rotten in Russia.
Rotten and stupid are not the same thing.
Are they not? We have that problem here too.
They sure can be.
I was one of those who thought the invasion wasn’t going to happen. I failed, at that time, to appreciate just what it really was Russia was after and what it thought the stakes were. Live and learn.
The problem is that Russia feels it must take NATO on or face eventual destruction. But I think Russia is also coming to realize that actually taking NATO on is likely to result in Russia’s prompt destruction. A dandy little dilemma there.
We can help with this dilemma by doing our best to assist Ukraine in making it impossible for Russia to take NATO on by burning up Russia’s troops and materiel.
A common strategy which they decided to use was to demonstrate their strength by taking on a weaker target, which failed as it simple showed how weak they are in conventional warfare.
Then what? Do nothing? No.
Why do you think we are not giving the Ukrainians and really long range weapons? No, as in the Ukrainian defensive weapons will be used to stop the invasion.
I’m talking about when Russia attacks NATO. That can no longer be ruled out. Something is wrong with Russian leadership. Deterrence is not the same for them as it is for us. It’s a mistake to make that a central part of your analysis. Look at the disaster they walked into for themselves for the first half of this war. That’s what it looks like when your deterrence calculus is way way off.
Remember, the strategic reason for the war was to have the Ukraine as a buffer against NATO just as Belarus is. They miscalculated both their own strength and Ukraine’s military just as those expert’s in the West who claimed that Ukraine would be quickly occupied.
Now they are stuck and not politically able to disengage without showing some type of “victory”. But they know that they are not ready to take on NATO and so won’t do so as long as NATO shows it is ready, able, and willing to fight.
Ukraine, by itself, was never Russia’s end game. And it still isn’t. Russia will attack NATO if it can. Our job is to help the Ukrainians wear Russia down to a point where even Putin knows he hasn’t the men and equipment to take NATO on.
conventionally I think Putin knows that already. he is contemplating if its true from a special weapons standpoint
Yes, but it would be a lot better for Russia to attack NATO from the Ukraine than having to go through the vast Ukraine grasslands which for hundreds of years has eaten up armies.
Putin doesn’t really see that he has a choice but to take NATO on. He is entirely fixated on restoring the Soviet defense perimeter. Taking on NATO is necessary in order to do that. The only thing that will dissuade Putin is rendering Russia incapable of taking on NATO. That means bleeding Russia out, militarily, in Ukraine.
Something is wrong with Russian leadership. Deterrence is not the same for them as it is for us”
because to them detterence is aggression…to us it is defense. this is the mistake we have made for the last 20 years at least
Russian has always believed that the best deterrence is aggression, it’s part of their Viking roots. Remember, Gene Roddenberry used them as his model for the Klingons, only he made the Klingons are bit more rational.?
yeah and I guess that is my main point. they are irrational about their aggression…that was the redeeming value of communism. it was a very rational approach in a history of being irrational.
Ah, the good days of the Soviet Union. We didn’t know how good we had it then.?
That would be satisfying – for a short time – but would also provide Russia with a casus belli we don’t need to be providing. Kaliningrad is not, in any way, a key to checking and throwing back the Russians in Ukraine.
These are the Russian “MAGA” people it is the trump brigade there
I will be interested to see how the next couple of months turn out. the Ukrainians are running out of combat soldiers
it is hard to know where Putin thinks he is going with this. but the Russians are making headway in a “grind it out” kind of war
So are the Russians. They’ve ground each other down. Ukraine is short of equipment, Russia is short of men.
that does not seem to be the conclusion of a lot of the professional think tanks…the Russians can grind this away for another year or two
Well, I’m going to disagree. They’ve done only a partial mobilization. Ukraine has a full up pipeline that’s running now. The draw down of equipment I see the Russians undergoing is more out of Red Storm Rising than what the pros like Michael Koffman have been writing. I think Tom Clancy did a better job than the experts have in this one. We’re just going to have to see what the next few weeks brings. I see the Russians and Ukrainians slowing down almost 1:1 with Russia having a slight edge in Luhansk the past two weeks.
The Russians and Ukrainians are just going to grind on until both are ready to make a deal.
A believable outcome. I’m looking for that too.
and I dont see a Russian or a Putin deal.
As with WW2, the end will probably come fairly quickly with fierce fighting right up to the end.
And when fearless leader is no longer in the way…
That’s how all wars end. But the Russians won’t quit until they literally cannot continue. So we need to keep helping the Ukrainians bring that day closer.
Well, I’m going to disagree. They’ve done only a partial mobilization. Ukraine has a full up pipeline that’s running now. “
the Brit strategic analysis institutions think this…and…well its hard to know what you see on TV if it is representative or not. but CNN did finished a series of long reports on “ukrainian troop training” of raw recruits…and with the usual caveats of CNN filmed things which 1) the Ukrainians wanted them to see and 2) in a pretty positive light by CNN
there were not a lot of 22 year old males there…there were chunks of them and to their credit they are in pretty good shape…but there were a lot of 30 somethings some 40 somethings and you saw even 50ish folks
Now they talked about how the 50ish folks were “for secondary task”…
but I bet you they are having to work hard to strike a balance between the 20 somethings “working” at what is left of the economy which is more and more requiring manual labor and fighting
if you believe the brits the loss rate is in the 200ish a day. they cannot sustain this long
My understanding, and it’s synthesized by me from many small reports. So disclaimer there. But when history unfolds closer to a Tom Clancy novel than what the think tanks say …. I’m going free form. So that disclaimer is there. I’m ready to be wrong but …. It looks to me like there’s a two tier mobilization going on. Teen to 30 go into the regular army. On the few clips that you see of active duty forces you see just what you’d expect. Fresh faced young men running all the new equipment and armed with honestly the best set of kit I’ve ever seen. The second tier are the 30 to 50 odd year olds. These are the vast majority of forces we see. The Territorial Guard. These guys are multiplexing their life between work, family and duty. This is the force that allows Ukraine to have a large army and some semblance of an economy and keep the fabric of society together. From what I’ve seen the Territorial Guards are the units getting formed up in two weeks to a month. Most of them are already combat vets. If you follow them on Twitter, you’ll see that they spend a LOT of time re-mobilizing after they’ve been mobilized. They’re constantly upping their game crowdsourcing new kit, organizing field kitchens, weapons, and organizing stuff they stole from the Russians. So are they really fighting with only two weeks training? I wold not say so. They’re constantly re training themselves, and they came in with prior experience. They’re a very professional insurgent army in the proud tradition of the UPA (YOU HAVE TO READ ABOUT THE UPA). The young men are being taken to West Ukraine, Poland, Germany, UK, and USA for in depth training. We don’t see what’s going on in these places but I’m betting its a range of US/UK style basic training, and then an accelerated Type A course in their field of specialization. Then probably periods of supervised duty in combat with fast rotations out to do a lessons learned review. I’ve seen bits and pieces of this and synthesized it into this. Take it for what it is. But I think it explains why Ukraine is hitting so hard for its weight. I’m already waiting for all the books that are bound to be written about this war.
thats probably pretty close…but the Russians have more people to do the same
off to b ed. have been working remotely on the south pole comm systems. and directly working on new ones the NSF has approved a 200K grant for massive improvement 🙂
The Russians also have more places that need to be garrisoned than the Ukrainians do. The Ukrainians can send every soldier they’ve got against the Russians. The Russians can’t remotely do anything comparable.
sure of that
Have you looked at a map of Russia? The military force they’re going to feel they have to put way up north to secure the Kola Peninsula from the newly-NATO Finns would require more troops than they’ve got in Ukraine.
neither the Finns nor NATO have t he logistics or industrial base for a sustained invasion
of Russia
Neither has the Ukraine and yet here we are…
we are paying about 40 billion every two years
The Russians also have more places that need to be garrisoned than the Ukrainians do. The Ukrainians can send every soldier they’ve got against the Russians”
except for internal disorder they actually have few places that have to be garrisoned. no one is thinking (right now) about invading Russia (well maybe the Ukrainians)
Except that it takes a lot of troops to prevent that internal disorder as many parts of Russia don’t wish to be parts of Russia.
maybe but according to a pretty good skyvision analysis by some british think tank…Ivan has a lot of troops probably another 300K he could easily move into the country
The Russian loss rate is likely at least twice that high. And the Russians have the same military vs. homefront manpower problem as the Ukrainians. Worse, actually, as the Russians still need manpower for agriculture and, in Ukraine, this crop year is already a write-off, so there are proportionally more men available for fighting.
Plus the Russians that are of draft age are fleeing Russia by whatever means available…
Based on Russian loss rates for the nearly four months the Russo-Ukraine War has been going on, Russia will be out of both men and materiel by Fall. I don’t see any way the Russians can keep fighting even to year’s end.
hope so
The same “think tanks” that were wrong on Russia invading and how long Ukraine would last if they did so…
not the ones in the UK…
Names?
Both sides are short of equipment. The Ukrainians are in a better resupply situation than are the Russians. The Russians are running out of men a lot faster than the Ukrainians.
Ukraine is not running out of soldiers.
Putin is trying to regain control of the Soviet-era defense perimeter for Russia.
The Russians are making some very modest progress at considerable cost. But they are also yielding ground in some places too. Certain towns and cities have changed hands three or four times. At the price in blood and equipment the Russians are paying per hectare, they are simply never going to be able to take much more of Ukraine than they have right now.
Russia has always been an empire. It got severely trimmed back in 1991. Under Putin, Russia is trying to regain former glory as well as its USSR-era defensive perimeter. The Russian Empire reached its maximum extent as the USSR. When the USSR collapsed, the Russian Empire lost over half of its population and control of eight of the nine traditional invasion routes into Russia. Putin has been scheming to get those eight invasion routes back into Russian control ever since he took power.
To do that, Russia must take, at a minimum, quite a bit of Poland, the Baltic states, Moldova and a piece of Romania. Now that Finland is joining NATO, it has added itself to Putin’s shopping list. With the exception of Moldova – a slice of which Russia already controls – every nation on said list is now a NATO member. Ukraine isn’t an objective in itself, it’s just on the way to most of the other places Putin covets.
So you are quite correct that it is very much to the U.S.’s advantage to feed Ukraine whatever it needs to bleed Russia dry, militarily. The Ukrainians have made a decent start on that project, but it will still take awhile to accomplish it sufficiently to make the Russians withdraw.
In addition to arming Ukraine, we need to provide as near-term an alternative as possible to Russian gas and petroleum for Western Europe. To do that, however, would require the Biden regime to reverse every one of its current energy policies in order to generate a sizable surplus for Europe beyond what the U.S. needs domestically. I am not optimistic, to say the least, about that happening.
We also need to get Saudi Arabia, which is only producing oil at 75% of their pre-pandemic levels, on the side of the Allies which is why President Biden appears to be planning to go there to plead with their King to support the West.
Russia has always been an empire, how do yo think it got to be the size it is…they just don’t like the fact they aren’t able to be one outside the borders of Russia anymore.
we are in a very dangerous time. the space thing will work itself out as either the Russians cannot perform or the US and its allies tire of them
no one in the west knows how to end this thing and no one in Russia that can, wants to end it
the west is on the hook for around 1/2 trillion in aid yearly, Zelinsky cannot make peace because there is no peace to be had…and Putin is in the same position as Hitler after lend lease passed
and probably as non rational. also instead of it being 11940 and the economy expanding…we NEED a contraction in it.
and there is worse ahead exciting 🙂
Yes, but Germany waited until Japan attacked to declare war and I expect Putin will wait until the Chinese make a move on Taiwan.
it was the second worst mistake Hitler made in the war, invading Russia was the worst…but after the US got into the war it was inevitable. The US had slowly been “upping” its game in the war in the Atlantic…and was on the verge of declaring a no sub zone about halfway across the Atlantic when the Japanese did PH.
Once they did that and the US and GB were allies in that war…well it was over. the ruses found to help Great Britian were now not needed due to our ally ship…at some point the US would have just said “OK we are in”
I suspect Putin is working the same calculas just in reverse. at some point he has to try and get the US directly involved…or he loses
well to my mind the russia as a state should be wiped from the earth.Or russians gonna wipe the whole civilization out of this planet.It is inevitable. Russians are like the apes with grenades.
No they’re not. WW2 was all about making friends with Germany and Japan. We just have to figure out how to make friends with Russia without things getting out of hand. Germany and Japan did horrible things in the early 20th cen. We made friends with them, and they calmed down and learned not to take the food off everyone’s plate at the table. We taught them table manners and once they learned to play nice, we forgave them their sins. Now it’s time to teach Russia.
We didn’t make “friends” with them, we occupied them with troops for several years after the war actually running their governments and in the case of Japan even writing the Constitution they use as the basis for their government. Troops are still stationed in both nations, although they gradually shifted from occupation forces in the 1950’s to allied forces when we allowed Germany to recreate their military and Japan to have a “self-defense” force.
Exactly. We made friends. We MADE friends. We have to figure out a process of MAKING Russia a friend. Defeating them on the conventional battlefield is step one. I can’t say I can think of credible step 2. Right now defeating Russia means we smash their armor and kill their soldiers on NATO territory and eject the survivors. If after that Russia will begin a rearming process to do it again, we might have to figure out ways to get troops onto Red Square and make friends the old fashioned way. We might have to go to Step 2. That would entail something like conventional ballistic strike against nuclear forces with strong missile defense to deal with a Russian retaliatory strike. I admit I don’t want to live in that world. But if Russia can’t self moderate after defeat on the conventional battlefield. That’s where it’s going to go.
We do what we did after WWII, wait for the next leader and hope they are less aggressive. And work on containment of their aggression as we did during the Cold War while waging economic warfare.
First step should be to get India to stop buying Russian arms and oil, so we leverage cooperation with them against China with weapon sales.
Russian deterrence calculus is off. If they attack NATO, it’s game on. NATO will have to attack into Russia in order to win the conventional fight on NATO territory. We can’t avoid that. If the Russians don’t moderate after defeats and begin re-arming for another attack, NATO is going to have to make real plans and preparations to attack Russian nuclear forces and Barbarossa to Red Square. You can’t go forward into history under constant harassment and invasion by large conventional armies every decade or two. That’s just too crazy a way to live. Of course you try containment, but containment assumes a compatible theory of deterrence on both sides. I take Ukraine as evidence that the Russians have an incompatible sense of deterrence from the West right now.
It may have been off before the Ukraine invasion, especially with the way nations like Germany reduced their military, but I suspect Russia’s calculus has been reset.
We wouldn’t really be looking at periodic conventional attacks. The Russian fertility rate is so low that it will fairly soon lack the number of 20-year-olds needed to fill out an army capable of external invasions. The Russians will be doing well just to guard what territory they have left.
we cannot be friends with a Russia that is run by Putin. no more then we could be friends with Nazi Germany or should be friends with China
I agree. But the question is how long can you live with a Nazi Germany, or a fascist Russia? Post WW2 The USSR did nothing on this scale with this ferocity. Ukraine is Afghanistan in a month. Putin’s Russia is not the USSR. We cannot rule out that this regime survives this crisis, and even with a loss, we cannot rule out a rearmament program to make ready for the war to finish Ukraine or engage NATO.
Just tell that to the nations in Eastern Europe who tried to resist the Russian takeover after WWII. Tell that to those that took part in the Hungarian and Czechoslovakian Revolutions while the West just stood by. Russia is being Russia, just like it was under Stalin, and the Czars, who in the late 18th and 19th Century, occupied those same nations. Why do you think the Polish government bought up all the tanks Germany was selling off?
I’m sorry those nations did not put up this kind of fight against Soviet occupation. In fact large swaths of those populations looked to the Soviet Army as their liberators. How many Ukrainians do we see fighting for the Russians right now? Not a lot.
You are kidding right? Or you are just not aware of the history of their resistance…
The only difference is that the Ukrainians are getting the support of the West or they would have been defeated already.
It isn’t 1945 or 1956 or 1968 anymore. And the USSR is gone. Russia has unwisely accelerated the schedule for its extinction by picking this fight. The, now mostly NATO, nations of the former Warsaw Pact need to keep their muskets clean and their powder dry. If they do that, Russia – once beaten in Ukraine – will fade quickly enough to preclude any subsequent such adventure. For our part, we need to deploy orbital anti-ASAT and anti-missile weapons sufficient to make Russian nuclear sabre rattling a pointless exercise.
we can live without a Putin russia forever.
Russia has lacked the capacity to mass produce its weaponry for years. With sanctions and a continually declining population, it isn’t magically going to find the wherewithal to reverse that now. We need to help Ukraine beat and eject Russia. At that point, Russia will have been shorn of the capability to support external invasions and also of any practical ability to rebuild.
Unfortunately, that would require comprehensively defeating Russia in a shooting war as that was a prerequisite for reforming both Germany and Japan. I would be content to skip the war part and simply allow Russia to decay naturally, which it is well on its way to doing. If Russia is incautious enough to start a war with us, though, I’m definitely all for giving it the post-WW2 Germany and Japan treatment.
ok NPC
Russia is pretty busily wiping itself out. It’s demographic profile is godawful and likely getting worse as all the official stats are now fictional. Russia is in terminal decline and is likely to be all but gone by the end of the current century. We should build and deploy countermeasures to remove from Russia any ability to end civilization and then just wait them out. Same with the PRC, though the wait is likely to be much shorter.
Russia is fighting for preserving “Rodina”, and it is *not* just “Mother Russia”, or “The Russian Earth”. It has far more to do the what was said by a Russian Prelate in the years after 1453A.D. :
“The First Rome is gone, … the Second has Fallen, … the Third shall rise, and there will be no other!”
…Twitter really needs to answer for this…
No it doesn’t. It’s good that Twitter lets us know what the thinking is in the Kremlin. It’s the Russian rulers that need to answer for this. And the only response that counts is for the Free World to give Ukraine the help that it needs.
I agree that I’m glad I learned that he said this. However, I’ll say that I do think moderation has a role, and an important one at that when you have someone trying to use your platform to rally people to actually commit a genocide (man…).
But I think your main point was that the bad guy here is Russian leadership and the slaughter and destruction they are perpetrating on Ukraine, not Twitter, and to that I very much agree.
Meanwhile, I think this is an interesting example of how a free speech standard based on mere compliance with the law of the country of the participant is going to be a tricky one to maintain/judge in a healthy manner, especially since we’re dealing with an international platform where participants include those from non-democratic countries or kleptocracies where the rule of law means something very different than what we take it to mean and/or where a right to free speech may not exist or is twisted beyond recognition
If they did not have access to Twitter they would just be making these statements to the Russia media and they would be reported by the western media, just like China’s recent threats to attack USN ships were reported.
That’s my point…that there is no point in censuring the free speech on Twitter. Thank you.
To the contrary, it shows that the minority of folks that like to argue about politics already have alternative ways to get their “fix” without having to monopolize Twitter and giving it its bad reputation.
Remember, Twitter is not a “public square” but a private for-profit company whose first duty is to maximize share value to its shareholders.
By positioning as mostly a global political platform they are inhibiting it’s ability to serve as a website for business and individual networking and thereby failing to maximize its revenue potential. It’s the equivalent of allowing political junkies to wonder around a shopping mall or recreation center screaming their political opinions and driving everyone else away.
There was no “attack” on Capitol.
yes there was
When the FALN shot up Congress, that was an attack.
When trumpers stormed the capital with confederate flags shouting “hang mike pence” that was an attack
If you want to know who the lefty or FBI – but I repeat myself – agents provocateur are, just look for the Confederate flags.
the folks with the confederate flags are trumpers
And when FALN tried to assassinate Pres. Truman at Blair House. Also when the Weather Underground bombed the Capitol… and the Pentagon… and the State Department.
The left has been screeching forever about fascism descending on the U.S. from the right. But it isn’t descending, it’s been here all along. It’s them.
Elon should stay away from Twitter. If he can’t back out at this point, then finish buying it, lay low, wait for the stock price to rebound and then sell.
I don’t expect he’ll do that, but that would be my advice (and wish).
Regarding Rogozin calling for the destruction of Ukraine, and worse, Putin and Russia’s leadership actually currently going through the process of a grinding destruction of Ukraine and the murders of its people, we should be not be partnering with Russian leadership on the International Space Station even though it does keep a line of communications open. Yes, we have shown we can work together even while they are in the middle of destroying a fellow United Nations member state, but that is not necessarily a good thing
Free speech is great. Thanks to free speech we all know the quality of such people. If Rogozin were censured, many people does not believe who he really is.