Rogozin: Russia Could Deepen Cooperation with China on Satellite Surveillance, Communications
TASS reports that Roscosmos could deepen ties with the Chinese space program in the areas of satellite surveillance and communications constellations as the nation’s invasion of Ukraine drives a deeper wedge in its relations with the West.
“Cooperation between Glonass and Beidou [China’s satellite navigational system] can quite spread to communications and surveillance clusters,” Roscosmos Director General Dmitry Rogozin said during a forum on Tuesday.
Roscosmos has ordered airlines to replace the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS) with Glonass in Russian airlines. Roscosmos is working with China to make the Glonass and Beidou satellite navigation systems interoperable.
Rogozin previously said that Russia will end cooperation with the United States, Europe, Japan and Canada on the International Space Station over the sanctions imposed on the country after its invasion of Ukraine in February. The Roscosmos leader said that details of Russia’s withdrawal will be announced soon. He has also said Russia is looking to cooperate on China’s Tiangong space station, which was launched last year.
Station operations have been approved until 2024. In December, NASA announced plans to work with station partners to extend operations until 2030. U.S. space officials have said it would be difficult to maintain the station without Russian involvement.
Russia’s Ukraine invasion has accelerated the nation’s drift away from cooperation with its ISS partners. Roscosmos decided not to participate in the U.S.-led Artemis program, which aims to land two astronauts at the south pole of the moon later this decade. While the other ISS partners have signed on to the program, Russia has opted to cooperate with China on the establishment of a lunar research base.
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You have to wonder what the Chinese think about these statements. Especially given how they are not likely to want to be seen with a loser given their geopolitical goals.
Rogozin is a big picture guy. He’s throwing stuff out there, like his idea that China launch their space Station to a Soyuz reachable orbit, and all those new (old) rocket projects and space missions he doesn’t have the money for. The Chinese are growing adept at ducking Rogozin’s big picture ideas.
He’s like the Tory Bruno of the trailer park…”they ort’a make two-story trailer homes fer like, people that’s got money?”
Russian’s invasion of Ukraine has left millions homeless, killed tens of thousands, destroyed beautiful cities and is threatening the world’s food supply. Enough dystopia!
All I can say is “good luck” to Ivan on this. The Russians bring very little to the table in any negotiation in terms of space or space navigation.
the Glonass system is “iffy” and is not used by ANY organization for RNP navigation or RNP approaches. until my job change I was on the European council of RNP approach formulation for EASA and the two systems in play were GPS and Galileo. there was not even a Russian member of the board.
the only reason the US and Europe treat Russia as some sort of equal partner in anything has been the desire of the west to try and westernize an aging nuclear power…Putin has torn that up.
there is no hint that this will ever return, at least in Putin’s lifetime and when that is over…there is a likely breakup of the Russian Federation.
as for the space station. its over dude, at least the partnership is. we are going to be in a shooting war with each other soon
Bob. Disagree with you just on the shooting war bit. The Russians will not last very long once their air superiority evaporated from being shoot out of the sky and counter-air ops. Then their ground assets gets hit hard by free roaming strike and interdiction packages. Especially with their lack of performance in the Ukraine war.
As long as Putin is in charge. There will be a palace coup before any shooting war with the West, IMO.
I really really hope you are correct in terms of a coup. I think Putin is going to announce general mobilization on the 9th
Hope you are wrong about the mobilization.
me as well 🙂 really my young kids are worried, so is Dad their older sister is in Poland F35
So is my Nephew, a 1st Lt. in the Army.
The question is if Putin is crazy enough to use Nukes. And if their military is crazy enough to obey him if he does.
Notice I wrote palace coup not military coup.
the answers to those questions are quite disturbing. yes and yes
the Russians both in doctrine and planning make no real differentiation between large conventional kinetic use and small tactical specials. we do but they do not.
even worse; Putin has crossed the line in terms of differentiating between the survival of the RF and himself. to him they are both synonomous…and not in a benign way. If Adolph (OK this is not facebook) Hitler had been “in it for Germany” he would have found the 9 mm but yet he became quite satisfied with the theme of Germany going up in some fireball with him as his Germany was gone anyway. Same with Putin.
Putin does not envision a life after his current job. so yeah he is ready to use the specials particularly the small ones
will he find a military willing to do that? Yes. the military is a top down organization. theirs and ours. and all of them. if he gave the order there are people in the RF military who are as wrapped up in propaganda and nationalism as the folks who stormed the US capital on 6 Jan. and in the case of the Russian military it would be in their view a legal order
dangerous times
It is a pity that the Baruch Plan never went forward in 1946. It would have made the world a much safer place.
it just had no chance with the USSR veto. we have been drifting this way a long time. Bush43 “stretched the truth” to go into Iraq… and the world was OK with it because it wasnt in Europe or the rest of the civilized world. but it was a plethora of lies and exaggerations and just raw political and military power. Putin has gone a step further as he has just pushed aside the entire notion of law and national boundaries etc. but a wing of the GOP is going there as well.
I never thought it would be this open but Putin is not shy about what he does…the GOP has MTG and other weak ones who wont stand up for what they were actually doing when push comes to shove. Putin? He is Jack N’s character in a few good men “You are d right I did it” now be afraid of me.
Yes, he has gone Full Stalin, in his behavior.
https://www.abc.net.au/news…
Vladimir Putin’s rumoured purge over his disastrous war in Ukraine could show he fell into the ‘dictator trap’
By Rebecca Armitage
Posted Tue 19 Apr 2022 at 1:31pm
there are not many profiles of dictators (Attaturk is one maybe) or dictator wanta bees who do not fall into that trap and quickly. the people who tell them “all glory is fleeting” usually check out before the glory does 🙂
No, it would not have. The Russians were already well along in work on their own A-bomb by 1946. They were absolutely, positively not going to give that up.
Russia definitely appears to draw a less distinct line than we do between nuclear and conventional weapons, as evidenced by their push for a plethora of smaller, tactical nukes.
There have even been reports of them developing sub-kiloton nuclear rounds for tanks: https://thediplomat.com/201…
yeaper. the Russians tried (it looks to me) a “fine edge” approach to the Ukraine war…ie a high speed move into the capital for a decap strike. seems they came “close” but then it bogged down and they quickly reverted to the USSR doctrine of massive fire power …which as you point out will easily ramp up to small nuclear weapons. every day I wake up and scan for evidence that they have implemented “special orders” which I think are coming. they are pounding the airways with it now. by the time it happens we will be use to it 🙂
The U.S. developed a lot of tactical nukes of many kinds in the 40s and 50s as well. I think the smallest was a nuclear 155mm howitzer round. But we also decided, by the early 60s, that none of that stuff made much sense on an actual battlefield. The Russians are just being typically slow on the uptake.
The Russian military, like everything else in Russia, is deeply corrupt. That means, on an individual level, it is also deeply self-interested. If Putin issues crazy orders because he sees no alternative but inviting Gotterdammerung and going out in a blaze of glory, then someone who does not fancy dying will take Putin out instead. Highly hierarchical and top-down organizations tend to go to pieces pretty quickly when the top guy goes off the rails.
I dont agree with that. Putin will find folks who will follow orders. and shoot the rest 🙂
Crazy enough or even able to obey him. Ukrainian troops are said to have captured considerable quantities of Russian plastic explosive packages that turned out to be just blocks of wood. One has to wonder how many of Russia’s remaining nukes might also have some wooden components instead of actual explosive initiators. Perhaps even Putin is beginning to wonder this.
50/50 you might be right about the space station.
The next decision point coming up is in June on whether or not Roscosmos will proceed with the crew swap arrangement with Anna Kikina flying on SpaceX Crew-5 and Frank Rubio on Soyuz.
If that falls through, then yeah that’s one of the last few nails in the coffin for ISS cooperation.
I sure hope you’re wrong about the shooting war
We can do without the Russians on ISS, though the precise terms of any “divorce” will determine the degree of difficulty involved in doing so.
As for the shooting war, that seems unlikely. Putin has been finding out that being surrounded for nearly a quarter-century by people who develop a highly-refined sense of what the boss wants to hear, then tell that to him, regardless of underlying reality, tends to lead to unpleasant surprises when one scruples to start a war. Having, by now, seen himself to have been manifestly ill-prepared to take on even Ukraine, it is hard to see why Putin would decide to expand his ill-fated Ukraine campaign so as to require direct intervention by most of Europe plus the U.S., U.K. and Canada. He also has to be wondering just how many lies he has been told about the number, condition and reliability of his strategic nuclear forces – not something one wants to have to wonder about if one is looking to play Chicken with the U.S.
Again, they’ll be the ‘junior’ partner in any cooperation with China…and even then, for only as long as their interests roughly coincide.