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Scaled Composites Update on Stratolaunch Engine Tests

By Doug Messier
Parabolic Arc
September 21, 2017
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14 responses to “Scaled Composites Update on Stratolaunch Engine Tests”

  1. Bulldog says:
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    It will be interesting to see comparisons to the Antonov AN-225 Mriya which also flies with six engines. The P&W 4000-40 does out class the 225’s Progress D-18T turbofans and the Stratolaunch aircraft must be much lighter than Antonov. Looking forward to the flight tests!

  2. Douglas Messier says:
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    This plane is astonishing to see when you can catch out in the wild. Jaw dropping. Saw it once fairly close up. The second time was from a highway some miles away. It was impressive even from that distance. Spruce Goose class, if that’s even a thing.

    • Jeff2Space says:
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      It’s absolutely Spruce Goose class. Truly one of a kind, which has its own hazzards. If you build a launch program based on it, what happens if Birdzillia has a bad landing which puts it out of commission for a year or more?

      After the Challenger Disaster, one of the things NASA did was buy another B-747 and convert it into another shuttle carrier aircraft. Having only one was a single point of failure for the program.

      • publiusr says:
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        That’s why STS’s orbiter should have been like one of the Buran concepts–self-ferry.

        • Jeff2Space says:
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          Except that would have either meant dragging turbojet engines to orbit and back (turbofans would likely have been too big for this) or it would have meant something like removing the OMS pods and replacing them with turbojet/turbofan pods to enable self-ferry. Not impossible, but would have required significant work after each landing and then significant work after self-ferrying to remove the jet pods. Not to mention extra wear and tear on systems like brakes (which were quite marginal before the post-Challenger rework).

          A close to stock Boeing 747 might have cost more, but the nice thing about it was that it didn’t place much of a burden on the orbiter processing flows other than relatively straight forward SCA mounting/demount operations which reused the existing shuttle/ET attach points.

          • publiusr says:
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            With Buran–the hydrogen burners were on Energiya where they belong–so turbojets would go where the OMS pods on STS go–so no biggie there.

            http://www.buran.ru/htm/ok-
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            Yes it would take some doing–but having powered flight upon return from space may also appeal to the military.

            With Engines under the ET–as Energiya–you might have more than one type of orbiter even. A Faget striaght wing, a lifting body (maybe an orbiter with no payload pay–but something more compact…

            • Jeff2Space says:
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              This is a common misconception. The picture you posted is of OK-GLI, also known as BST-02, at Technik Museum in Speyer Germany. This was not an orbital Buran. It was the Russian equivalent of Enterprise and had turbojet engines so that it didn’t have to be carried aloft by a much larger carrier aircraft. It could take off from a runway by itself. Because of this it flew many more landing tests than Enterprise.

              On the one and only orbital flight of Buran (Orbiter 1K1), there were no turbojet engines.

              • publiusr says:
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                Tha Analog–I know it wasn’t space-worthy–but serves as a general layout of what a good non-dead-stick orbiter might look like–minus cowls and such

              • Jeff2Space says:
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                While true, I’m sure the Russians gained enough confidence in glide landings by test flying the OK-GLI that they decided not to sacrifice payload capability by including jet engines in the orbital design.

              • Maxtrue says:
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                Some questions.

                1. Wouldn’t the take off be as interesting as the landing if some large rockets are being carried?

                2. What is the maximum height this craft can go? Is there any conceivable add on that could get it higher than its presently rated?

                3.Could someone far more informed than I am, explain why this would not be a great delivery system for a rocket-boosted ground penetrator (x) ? A 20 ton penetrator traveling downward at 20+ mach would be one hell of an impact.

                4. Such an object from the time it enters the ocean would take how long to reach sub crush depth? I assume rightly or wrongly the water column would be vaporized and not play a significant factor?

                5. Last, has anyone ever seen open source material on the effect of highly charged surfaces on ablation for very fast moving objects? That is create a surface plasma using electrical discharge as a kind of ablative lubricant. The analogy would be the effect of air on supersonic torpedoes. Open sources have speculated on the ability to convert heat into charge. It would be easy enough to test a proof of concept. Dig up an old X-17.

                NYC

            • Maxtrue says:
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              I thought the BFR would fill some of that need. https://www.reddit.com/user

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