Conservative Group Targets Elon Musk
A conservative political action committee (PAC) headed by Laura Ingraham has specifically targeted Elon Musk and his three companies with a website titled Stop Elon From Failing Again.
Billed as “The One Stop Database on Stopping Elon Musk,” the website is a compilation of critical news stories about Musk, SpaceX, SolarCity and Telsa Motors. A major criticism is that the companies have received billions in government subsidies and tax credits.
The web site is one of several projects of Citizens for the Republic, a group headed up by conservative activist and radio talk show host Laura Ingraham. Donald Trump has Ingraham on the short list of candidates for presidential press secretary.
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Hmmm…
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That pic ever gets old LOL.
Yeah, waving to friends is so evil. Talking about evil, Photoshopping separate images to construct your devious fantasy, can be construed as evil. But, good luck with that, many on the alt-left want to believe that P.E. TRUMP is the love child of Hitler and Stalin. Continue your TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), the rest of the world laughs at you!
Oh blow it out of yer tubes you Trump supporting psychopath. I won’t be taking lectures from someone who fails to recognise the threat and danger posed by the Trump madman.
BTW, the “rest of the world” is actually worried as f**k over an incoming Trump Administration. Ask yourself why this is.
Thank you for displaying your DERANGEMENT syndrome. Move to North Korea, where you can live with your brethren
That is what he gets for having his picture taken with President Obama and donating to Hillary Clinton 🙂
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Sadly he still is learning that as a NASA contractor you must never appear to take sides.
I was thinking that same thing myself the other day. Of the four organizations building heavy lifters, 2 took sides during the election and 2 didn’t. John Shannon (SLS PM) and Bruno didn’t say a word either way, but Musk and Bezos did.
As a citizens of a free nation (even if each is the head of a public company), they can certainly free to take a political stance if they wish. But, you just have to be willing to pay the political price when “your” party isn’t in power. And when “your” party isn’t in power, you have to ask if you are primarily an aerospace engineering organization or a partisan political activism organization. Generally the two are not mixed in the private sector.
Being tied to the monarch has always made nations more unstable: a regime change means the entire system of royal patents gets turned on its head. That’s part of the reason we settled on peaceful transfers of power and much less partisan private sector companies.
Even if Musk or Bezos aren’t directly shut out of a contract, what happens if you state that Mars is no longer the goal for NASA – doesn’t that serve the same purpose for someone like Musk who explicitly and narrowly defined his goals and preferences: democratic nominee and Mars. That becomes a tricky double coincidence problem. You now need the “right” party in power AND they need to have the “right” goal. Seems limiting to me…
Another way to look at it is: The only two companies determined to reduce cost right from the start so that more entities can afford access to space, and who did not have to be forced to put their own money into it, the only two whose passion for human migration into space began as that and not as some grudging reaction to changes in the industry, who indeed by their actions have forced that overall upgrade in the industry…just happened to not like Trump’s campaign of hate (I’m willing to bet they had no position on him prior to that).
Now what does that say about people?
I guess you didn’t get the memo. Elon Musk’s plans to settle Mars are nothing but “White Colonialism Interstellar Manifest Destiny” so “white supremacist capitalists” like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are enemies of the left as well. If Hillary Clinton wins the recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and becomes President the Democrats will feel the need to move much further to the left and so will probably work their way around to dealing with the various “racist” space advocate groups calling for space colonization as part of the goal of the Democrat Party is to end racism 🙂
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Yes, the extreme Republicans hate him for supporting President Obama and his views on climate change, the extreme Democrats hate him for his drive to colonize Mars. So it looks like he’s in trouble no matter what he does. Poor Elon…
Oh, boy.
A month ago I wouldn’t have thought space settlement was about political correctness as I always saw it as bipartisan but given the extreme reaction of so many Democrats to losing this election I wonder now if it will stay that way after this election.
Remember, elections come and go, and in America there is always another one around the corner. Add in the checks and balances to power and what any individual who is elected is able to do is very limited.
Extreme reaction? You didn’t think the whole election cycle was extreme? What freaks people out is probably not that a cynic can bet on folks’ detestation of each other by breaking every tenet of decency, and win, but rather, the volume of people who let him get away with it. It’s a grim reminder of who we are as a species.
To expect space settlements to not have political correctness is to expect it to go savage. We are flawed beings prone to hate-mongery, and things like PC is how we maintain decency and make society livable for everyone. At first we will be united in the matter of survival, but once we have mastered the alien environment, watch out, for there is no civilization without ‘civil’.
On one thing we can agree, however: an election is only a beginning. We may never forget what we saw in the campaigns but in every functional democracy there are constitutional restraints on the presidency to prevent slides into the extreme. And if that don’t work, we get to hit ‘refresh’ every two years. The president is also a changed man after his ‘lame-duck’ briefings. We have nothing to fear (except ourselves).
Yes, Iagree. And it was a savage election, although there were others (1824, 1828, 1912 come to mind) that were probably equally bad. But its likely a taste of the future as individuals are able to use social media and selective news sites to place themselves in an echo chamber that only reports the most evil stories about the opposing candidate. In the field of risk communication there is a concept known as risk amplification in which minor risks for a technology, like nuclear, are blown all out of proportion by the media falling for campaigns run by opponents of it. I think modern media has created a similar process of “evil amplification” that effected the images of both candidates in this election.
Also keep in mind I am looking at it as someone who teaches business strategy and the adoption of innovations from a historical perspective. In short its analysis as much as opinion.As such I see the savageness of this election as a logical consequence of individuals being able to isolate themselves from different viewpoints on social media. In the old media limited days everyone heard the same news and the journalists focused on accuracy. Now the news is tailored to the audience to build followers online with other viewpoints labelled as wrong and false. It should be no surprised that hostility between the groups is the result.
In terms of space settlements, I am not worried about the political correctness of the settlers, but if the very idea of humans settling space will become politically incorrect if it gets sucked into the current political environment.
…things like PC is how we maintain decency and make society livable for everyone.
How did we ever manage decency and livability before political correctness?
It was always there, my friend, just not always called that, hence the qualification, ‘things like…’ Its that delicate layer of societal rules between Common Courtesy and Law and Order.
there are extremists in every party. It is for that very reason that the 2 major parties continue to shrink in size, while 3rd parties and the indis, continue to grow.
That is because experienced NASA contractors learned long ago to stay out of national politics and just focus on the districts they bring pork too. This election will be a good educational experience for Elon Musk, and perhaps it will encourage him to go back to his original plan to do it with NASA funding.
I don’t think it will bother Jeff Bezos. He got the information he needed with his Space Act agreement and doesn’t need NASA money for his plans to build SBSP and orbital habitats.
LOL.
Yeah, you never see Boeing, L-Mart, ULA, Northrup, etc spending 10s of millions each year on GOP candidates.
The only “side” Musk is standing with is that of logic, science and reason. He recognises the realities of climate change, as well as the dangers of posed by the anti-science mob on the right.
You have the freedom to jump off a 500 ft cliff, but its not really a good idea 🙂
Yeah, cuz, like, Huff and Puff is like, authentic, all the team, dontcha know?
Why do Trumpers have such a poor grasp of the English language?
There’s a field day of comedy to be had fighting against these people. If I were Musk, I’d hire that erstwhile PR type to come up with some choice parody about these folks about how they cry “Subsidy!” yet the vast majority of their money comes from government coffers, tax breaks, and incentives. He should dip low into the bawdy so Trump fans ‘get it’. Humor that passes over their heads just makes them love him more, so you’ve got to aim low.
FYI
This is why I teach my business students to always do their research and
drill down to find the original source and then evaluate it. The Internet makes
it very easy for anyone to publish anything and folks will buy it. That is also
why I support Doug, he makes sure what he posts is accurate. Really, he is
more professional than many professional journalists who forgot the most
important part of journalist is to verify if a news story is accurate.
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NPR Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs. Here’s What They Learned
By Laura Sydell
NPR November 23, 2016
“Coler, a registered Democrat, says he has no regrets about his fake news empire. He doesn’t think fake news swayed the election.”
“Late 2012, early 2013 I was spending a lot of time researching what is now being referred to as the alt-right. I identified a problem with the news that they were spreading and created Disinfomedia as a response to that. The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly false or fictional stories, and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction.”
“Really the financial part of it isn’t the only motivator for me. I do enjoy
making a mess of the people that share the content that comes out of our site. It’s not just the financial incentive for me. I still enjoy the game, I guess.”
You don’t, but NPR is usually a reliable source. However I am assuming the reporter did some background checking, especially as they expected to find it was a Republican doing it. Hopefully there will be some additional investigative report on fake news sources. But then its also not a new phenomenon but dates to the founding of modern media. Its just that like so many things the Internet makes it easier.
Yes, its nice to be in a field where simple math rules, but unfortunately society is too complex a system for such simplicity.
We’ll see if Elon Musk can switch from betting on the dead horses, climate panic and Mars, to instead embrace energy growth and the Moon. To me it looks as if his equipment, Falcon Heavy and Dragon, are less than optimal for exploring the Moon. Competitors now have a chance to overtake SpaceX. Elon tried to jump one planet too far, and left the Moon as a strategic gap.
It would take at least three FH launches and their payloads’ assembly in orbit in order to achieve an Apollo class mission. FH is kind of a rocket to nowhere.
There are possible payloads to geosync that could use a FH. If the design is as modular as it seems with many parts in common with the F9, it shouldn’t be too hard for SX to support even if the yearly manifest is only a few.
To do an Apollo class mission today (trip to the moon) should be much easier with modern lightweight alloys and massive advancements in electronics. Of course, there would be a huge mission creep from the goals set forth for Apollo that would make the delivered payload much heavier and likely too advanced for it’s own good. Anybody know how much payload a FH could deliver to the moon assuming it’s just stuff and not people?
A bit more than a third of Saturn V, I’ve seen somewhere claimed, but it is quite uncertain. Now it seems as if Falcon Heavy won’t use cross feeding, which was its greatest idea, emptying the boosters before the center stage. FH has no priority for Elon Musk. After the first F9 crash all work on the FH was canceled until the problem was solved, he has said himself. I suppose FH development is yet again canceled until F9 lifts off again. At least the problems have been associated with the upper stage and not with the first stage to be used as FH boosters. If they could bunch together 7 common cores like the now canceled Russian Angara 7, and use cross feeding of the fuel, I think they would have a real Lunar rocket.
It’s always those blasted upper stages. Elon just has his own Briz-M at the moment..as it were.
Something is problematic with upper stages. Planetary Society lists 15 Russian launch failures since 2011. 14 of them are about upper stages. Briz-M accounts for half at 7. Soyuz integrated upper stage 3. (Soyuz with) Fregat 2. Volga 1. Zenit 1. Only one was a Proton first stage failure. What’s up with this?
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National Public Radio conservative? You got to be kidding 🙂
There is a difference in subsidies to encourage an industry and massive government hand outs. I can’t blame Elon for taking advantage of the US government’s largesse, but his companies need to start earning a profit and start to approach being able to operate without government programs that could be cancelled at any time. Tesla Motors/SolarCity and SpaceX are so financially intertwined, if one goes down, they may all fail.
It’s yet to be seen if the Nevada tax breaks/subsidies are collected and to what extent. Tesla Motors was/is claiming that they plan to employ 6500 people at the plant, but that number seems incredibly high. Li cell manufacturing (which will be done by Panasonic) is very automated due to processes that take place in a vacuum and inert atmospheres. Tesla is attempting to build the most automated production line in the world to assemble the Model 3 and it would be odd that they wouldn’t be doing the same for the battery packs that will power it.
I don’t see how SolarCity’s panel plant in NY is going to compete with the Chinese. China used to be one of the world’s biggest silicon suppliers for solar cells. They followed that will curtailing raw material sales after they ramped up PV cell production and once again, limited cell sales in favor of complete panels.
It’s not labor costs that give China the edge any more, it’s that they have fewer environmental regulations/agencies and have developed all of the feed-in companies so products can be made entirely in China with zero or very little imported materials. The US, on the other hand, has been losing massive segments of industries to overseas suppliers. The reason that Apple isn’t building iPhones in the US is that all of the parts would have to come from overseas with very few exceptions. Need steel to make a car?, no problem. Need the right type of steel for magnetic applications?, big problem.
Why aren’t Elon’s companies making money hand over fist with all of the subsidies that they get? Will they be Too Big to Fail in a few years when they lose some of those subsidies? Will they blow up another rocket and start losing government contracts and private customers? How many more people are going to purchase a $100k+ car whose gross design is 4 years old? How many of the 400k Model 3 reservations are they going to be able to convert into sales?
I was going to one up you for a nice comment then I saw the last part where you just decided to act like a F*&king arrogant piece of sh*t with his head up his a$$ and the inability to control his massive ego.
See isn’t this great.
Most people believe in both god and science and aren’t creationist.
Did you ever think not being a a$$hole when you hear others views and maybe listening to them or learning might help your cause?
Oh wait that would require the checked ego.
Meanwhile, the leftist keeps telling anyone who speaks out of line to shut up and stop being racist and left us do the thinking……
Can’t figure out how ya’ll turned America to vote for Cheeto Jesus over Hilary…..can’t understand it…
Shhh, I don’t want to ruin it that most of the engineers I have met were Christians and tended to be moderates or conservative.
Oh, poor little snowflake, have you been triggered? Do you need a safe space? Would you like some Playdoh and some crayons?
You lost, sucks to be you, now crawl back to your SJW bridge and scream from it.
You’re rich snowflake, using the term ‘fascist’ proves you are just another hyperventilating, immature, thin skinned liberal. You’re going to be so disappointed when there aren’t concentration camps, Dachau style ovens, and other ridiculous fantasies that you and your ridiculous liblefty idiots have.
But feel free to continue setting your hair on fire, the world is LAUGHING AT YOU.
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