Musk Predicts Falcon 9 Return to Flight in Mid-December


SpaceX CEO Elon Musk told CNBC on Friday that investigators have found the root cause of the fire and explosion that destroyed a Falcon 9 booster on Sept. 1. The company expects to resume launches by the middle of December.

Musk, confirming earlier discussion about the investigation, said the failure involved liquid helium being loaded into bottles made of carbon composite materials within the liquid oxygen tank in the rocket’s upper stage. This created solid oxygen, which Musk previously said could have ignited with the carbon composite materials. However, he did not go into that level of detail in his CNBC comments.

“It’s never happened before in history, so that’s why it took us a while to sort it out,” Musk said, adding that SpaceX has been working with NASA, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and commercial customers on the accident investigation. “This was the toughest puzzle to solve that we’ve ever had to solve.”

…SpaceX’s last public statement about the accident investigation, published on its web site Oct. 28, said that the company had narrowed its focus to one of three helium bottles inside the liquid oxygen tank that burst, noting it was able to replicate the tank failure with helium loading conditions. “The root cause of the breach has not yet been confirmed,” the company said at the time.

Meanwhile, more details are emerging about safety concerns related to SpaceX’s plans for its Crew Dragon spacecraft, which is designed to fly NASA astronauts to the International Space Station beginning in 2017 or 2018.

Tom Stafford, chairman of the NASA International Space Station Advisory Committee, expressed concerns about SpaceX’s plans to fuel the rocket with the crew aboard Dragon and the company operating the launcher’s Merlin 1D engines “outside their design input conditions.”

Stafford wrote that the committee unanimously believes SpaceX’s plan to load astronauts aboard the Crew Dragon before fueling the Falcon 9 booster is counter to safe practices that have been in place for more than 50 years.

“Pump-fed chemical engines require a sufficient and consistent input pressure to reduce the likelihood of cavitation or unsteady flow operations. We are concerned that there may be insufficient precooling of the tank and plumbing with the current planned oxidizer fill scenario, and without recirculation there may be stratification of oxidizer temperature that will cause a variation in the input conditions to the oxidizer pump,” the letter read.

“In summary, we are deeply concerned about introducing the practice of fueling with the crew onboard, and about the lack of even a recirculation pump for oxidizer conditioning on Falcon 9,” the letter added.

The Wall Street Journal also reports that ISS Advisory Committee members had expressed concerns about the design of the booster at a meeting last week.

The Falcon 9 booster, according to industry officials, also is the only large rocket world-wide in decades with helium bottles installed inside its liquid-oxygen tanks. During launch, the helium inside the bottles is released into the tank to maintain pressure while the liquid oxygen is consumed….

At the same meeting, Joseph Cuzzupoli, a former senior NASA manager who worked on the agency’s Apollo, Gemini and space shuttle programs, also expressed misgivings about SpaceX’s plans and the lack of NASA response. “Are we in the dark on this whole thing?” he asked.

Mr. Cuzzupoli told the committee that installing helium containers within fuel tanks—which entails putting wiring, sensors and tubing inside a potentially explosive environment—is “very unusual in my world, in my experience.” Such designs, he said “have been a no-no ever since Apollo.”

In 1970, a spark from an exposed wire inside an oxygen tank caused a life-threatening fire on board Apollo 13, bound for the moon. The crew managed a safe return to Earth, but NASA changed designs to prevent a similar incident.

On Nov. 1, NASA released a statement sttessing the space agency’s rigorous review process for any vehicles flying astronauts.

“The agency has a rigorous review process, which the program is working through with each commercial crew partner,” the statement reads. “Consistent with that review process, NASA is continuing its evaluation of the SpaceX concept for fueling the Falcon 9 for commercial crew launches. The results of the company’s Sept. 1 mishap investigation will be incorporated into NASA’s evaluation.”


  • I always find it amusing that these Republican front groups always use a retired emeritus elderly astronaut straight out of the NASA astronaut hero worship cult to front for their ‘concerns’. Go ahead, tell me Thomas Stafford of Oklahoma is a democrat.

  • savuporo

    Is that prediction based on similar science that planned Falcon Heavy launch in 2012?

  • JamesG

    SpaceX runs on money and optimism.

  • windbourne

    What does that have to do with this story? Absolutely NOTHING.
    This is stafford’s job to be concerned about astronauts.
    Personally, I am happy that he is doing it.
    However, as somebody else pointed out, NASA will likely have to make changes, since it is actually SAFER for the crew to be in the rocket prior to fueling. After all, once it is fueled, then really does not make sense to put ppl next to the rocket with no chance of getting out.

  • I think if you dig a little deeper you will find it to be poitically motivated.

    But beyond that, I don’t really see anything that is thermo-physically unsolvable with this liquid oxygen pressurization system, Admittedly it is a little dicey or ‘tricky’ especially if he is using liquid helium in there someplace, I’d like to know more details about that. But I actually like the fast fuel and fly idea, and that’s gonna be great with a methane rocket.

  • Pete Zaitcev

    Cuzzupoli is a know-nothing moron. Every rocket engineer who knows anything always installs helium bottles into the LOX tank, because you can stuff more helium in there this way. Not only Falcon, but also Angara, CZ-5, and Antares are done this way. The difference is that nobody uses COPV and nobody pumps _liquid_ helium in there.

  • patb2009

    LHe is hard to keep in the lox… The heat transfer boils it.

  • Ok, I missed that NYT article, so it does seem like they were flashing the helium tanks up to flight pressure with ‘cryo’ liquid helium. So not only do you have to make precise measurements of the volume, but yeah, that heat has to come from somewhere. Duh. I get it now.

  • redneck

    Which is why it is moving ahead even with the problems encountered. So much better than running on pork and cynicism.

  • Jeff2Space

    The composite overwrap on the outside of the COPV isn’t completely pressure tight, so a bit of LOX seeps into the composite. The problem they experienced is that the (much colder) liquid helium inside the COPV cooled the LOX so much that it turned solid inside the composite. This was very bad since this now becomes an ignition point. Ever chomp down on wintergreen Lifesavers? That.

    The good news is that a process change on exactly how the tanks are filled will eliminate the problem by insuring that the COPV does not get so cold that solid oxygen forms.

  • NewSpace Paleontologist

    I am a rocket engineer and I do not know that you always install the helium bottles in the lox tank. I am probably a moron.
    For all those blindly criticizing the ASAP and Stafford, I am interested in your qualifications to do so.
    How launch vehicles have you loaded?
    How many manned launch vehicles have you loaded?
    How many times have you been responsible for crew escape?
    How many times have you been a member of or testified before a incident committee?

  • Science and physics are weird. Anyone can play. What do you not understand that RP-1 is less than optimal with regards to reusabilitty and autogeneous pressurization and startup? Falcon 9 needs lots of helium precisely because it is reusable and it’s a conventional launch vehicle. Subcooled fuels and oxydizier and flashing the heliium tanks up to flight pressures is what you call ‘innovative’ and ‘innovation, if that’s the case.

    That’s going to change. You don’t start a rocket company any other way.

    So, how many commercial rocket companies have you started from scratch?

    Now do you see how silly your questions sound?

  • windbourne

    Actually, this could lead to the HE tanks getting some sort of a cover that prevents any possible mixing of LOX into the tank siding.
    So, that is not a bad thing.

    In addition, this might lead to safety changes since it makes sense for the crew to be in the capsule waiting while fueling is going on. I think that this will be seen as being much safer over the long haul, esp. if the capsule is rated to do a pad abort.

  • windbourne

    I would rather see a change back to metal, or some form of a thin neutral layer over the COPV.

  • windbourne

    unless the tank is fairly insulated and slows the heat transfer.
    And the amount of heat transfer is much lower going from 77K to 2.4K, then going from ~300K to 2.4K.

  • windbourne

    Honestly, does it matter?
    We all know that Musk does not do a timeline decently.
    When it comes to doing operations, you need to listen to Shotwell.
    She has a great sense of timelines.

  • patb2009

    I suspect it’s a little more complex. You aren’t wrong just a little high level.

    I suspect the LOX leaks into the overwrap and as the LHe conducts, freezes it, a bit more leaks in and you get more Solid Oxygen, but
    then you pressurize the Helium bottles and the liner pushes out, the Solid Ox breaks a fiber and it starts an event

  • patb2009

    Still happens

  • patb2009

    may wreck the weight budget.

  • publiusr

    Ironically, the Energiya hydrogen engines were less troublesome than the RD-17X series –and yet Glushko hated hydrogen.

    Musk wanted to avoid hydrogen for its cryogenic headaches–which the super-chilled LOX caused anyway.

    An interesting quote:

    “In most American designs, a gas-generator engine would dump the exhaust from the turbines overboard. In the case of the M-1, the resulting exhaust was relatively cool, and was instead directed into cooling pipes on the lower portion of the engine skirt. This meant that liquid hydrogen was needed for cooling only on the high-heat areas of the engine —the combustion chamber, nozzle and upper part of the skirt— reducing plumbing complexity considerably”

    Now M-1 was also to use helium to spool up the engines. Would not an LH2 be a little more friendly to a COPV?

    Then too, maybe we will have metal hydrogen fuel

  • No, you are not going to have metallic hydrogen rocket fuel, that’s just Isaac Silvera hyping his pet idea for more cash.

    You libertarian science cranks are amusing though.

  • publiusr

    Not a libertarian. It’d take NASA to develop this. Musk and Bezos seem to want to avoid LH2. Sad, that.

  • I don’t see how you came to that conclusion. Bezos has already developed and is using a hydrogen engine, and NASA has 16 very high performance hydrogen engines that unfortunately they intend to destroy before making orbit.

    I am confident that Elon Musk will warm up to liquid hydrogen eventually considering he is well over his head in problems with liquid helium already. He will need hydrogen. And hydrogen has distinct advantages when it comes to the large scale development of near Earth space.